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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 06:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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Gerade hat der Bundespräsident das Netzsperren-Gesetz dann doch noch unterzeichnet, da wird bereits schon ausgeholt für die nächsten Schlag gegen das freie Internet: Mit dem geplanten Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag (Entwurf) stehen Maßnahmen wie umfassende Internetsperren, Alterskennzeichnung von Webseiten und Sendezeiten im Internet auf der Agenda. Genaueres findet man beim AK Zensur, Peter Kröner fasst die Implikationen zusammen:




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Gerade hat der Bundespräsident das Netzsperren-Gesetz dann doch noch <a href="http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Bundespraesident-unterzeichnet-Websperren-Gesetz-933180.html">unterzeichnet</a>, da wird bereits schon ausgeholt für die nächsten Schlag gegen das freie Internet: Mit dem <a href="http://www.netzpolitik.org/2010/jugendmedienschutz-internetfilter-durch-die-hintertuer/">geplanten Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag</a> (<a href="http://blog.odem.org/2010/01/12/Arbeitsentwurf-JMStV--Stand-2009-12-07.pdf">Entwurf</a>) stehen Maßnahmen wie <em>umfassende Internetsperren</em>, <em>Alterskennzeichnung von Webseiten</em> und <em>Sendezeiten im Internet</em> auf der Agenda. Genaueres findet man <a href="http://ak-zensur.de/2010/01/jmstv-stellungnahme.html">beim <abbr title="">AK Zensur</abbr></a>, Peter Kröner <a href="http://www.peterkroener.de/webworker-gegen-zensursula-2-0-und-kindernet/">fasst die Implikationen zusammen</a>:
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<ul>
<li>Es wird eine Art <mark>Deutschland-Intranet plus X</mark> erschaffen — für ein paar kommerzielle große Websites aus dem Ausland wird es sich sicher lohnen, den <abbr title="Jugendmedienstaatsvertrag">JMStV</abbr> zu befolgen, für euer liebstes […] Blog aus Übersee sicher nicht. Dieses wird dann also einfach geblockt und das war‘s. Ein ähnliches Schicksal könnte viele Websites und Dienste ereilen: Github, Microformats.org, der HTML5-Entwurf der WHATWG, sonstige wichtige Open-Source-Projekte [würden geblockt].</li>

<li>Der geneigte […] Blogger wird verpflichtet, seine <mark>Kommentare <q>zeitnah</q> auf Unbedenklichkeit […] zu prüfen</mark>. Weder weiß man, was <q>zeitnah</q> ist, noch dürften […] die meisten von uns juristisch genug geschult sein, um das zu beurteilen.</li>
<li>Wenn an allen Ecken und Enden Zäune und Schranken aufgestellt werden, wird es zunehmend <mark>unmöglich, in offenen Prozessen via Internet gemeinsam Wissen zu erarbeiten</mark> oder auch nur seine Euros zu verdienen — selbst wenn hierbei alle beteiligten Personen über 18 sein sollten, wenn etwas gesperrt oder erst ab 22 Uhr zugänglich ist, ist das nicht zu ändern.</li>
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<p>
Gerrit van Aaken <a href="http://praegnanz.de/weblog/jugendmedienschutz-staatsvertrag-jmstv-bedroht-das-freie-internet">prognostiziert</a> hierzu treffend: <q>Der nächste Schritt in diesem Wahnsinn wäre höchstwahrscheinlich ein Genehmigungsverfahren, bei dem man Sendelizenzen für das Internet erwerben kann.</q>
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<p>
Als welche moralische Instanz sich die entsprechenden Stellen positionieren, ist anhand des <a href="http://www.kjm-online.de/files/pdf1/Dritter_Bericht.pdf"><i>dritten Berichts der <abbr title="Kommission für Jugendmedienschutz der Landesmedienanstalten">KJM</abbr> über die Durchführung der Bestimmungen
des JMStV</i></a> erkenntlich: Im Bericht werden u.A. <q>pornografische[n] Abbildungen</q> mit <q>außergewöhnliche[n] und bizarre sexuelle[n] Praktiken […]</q> (Seite 41) als Teilgebiet des bisherigen Engagements genannt; weiterhin als „Problemfelder“ charakterisiert werden Rapmusik (Seite 35) und netzwerkbasierte Computerspiele (Seite 43f), wobei hier insbesondere <i>user generated content</i> als Gefahr eingestuft wird (<a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore_%28Computerspiel%29">Spore</a> lässt <a href="http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20080627">grüßen</a>). Besonders im Hinblick auf die neuen Vorschriften zur <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugendpornografie">Jugendpornografie</a> bedeutsam erscheint:
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<blockquote cite="http://www.kjm-online.de/files/pdf1/Dritter_Bericht.pdf">
<p>
Auch Jugendliche selbst stellen über die vielfältigen technischen Möglichkeiten – die immer einfacher zu handhaben sind und immer günstiger zur Verfügung stehen – Inhalte ins Netz, die nicht unbedingt den gesetzlichen Jugendschutzbestimmungen entsprechen.
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<p>
Selbst gibt man zu (Abschnitt B.10.1, Seite 41):
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<blockquote cite="http://www.kjm-online.de/files/pdf1/Dritter_Bericht.pdf">
<p>
Die KJM hatte sich bereits im Jahr 2003 mit dem Thema befasst und Sperrungsverfügungen gegen Access-Provider von Anfang an als mögliche <i>ultima ratio</i>-Maßnahme angesehen.
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<p>
Noch deutlicher wird nur an einer Stelle, mit welcher Ideologie wir es hier zu tun haben: Kapitel C.2 (Seite 55) ist überschrieben mit <em><q>Das Internet darf kein <a href="http://kontextschmiede.de/von-der-wachsenden-relevanz-rechtsfreier-raume/">rechtsfreier Raum</a> sein</q></em>.
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<p>
Wie es um existierende Jugendmedien nach dem Beschluss eines derartigen Staatsvertrages bestellt sein könnte, lässt sich übrigens erahnen: Die <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=b+random">Google-Suche nach „b random“</a> brachte bis vor einiger Zeit keinen Link auf <i>4chan /b/</i>, weil die entsprechende Seite auf einer Zensurliste stand (siehe mein <a href="http://blog.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/interview-moot-of-4chan-part-1">Interview mit <i>moot</i></a>). Und auch bei der <a href="http://www.google.de/search?q=bernd+krautchan">Suche nach „bernd krautchan“</a> werden aktuell mehrere Suchergebnisse zensiert — <a href="http://www.chillingeffects.org/notice.cgi?sID=815">dank deutscher Behörden</a> (Krautchan selber taucht <a href="http://krautchan.net/robots.txt">auf Wunsch der Betreiber</a> nicht auf).
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<strong>
Ein Portal mit umfangreichen Informationen zum Engagement gegen dieses Gesetzesvorhaben gibt es <a href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/JMStV">im Wiki der Piratenpartei</a>.
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		<title>Interview: moot of 4chan (Part 1)</title>
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At the third day of the re:publica 09 conference, I did meet moot of 4chan fame for an interview. Here is the first part, as audio (Vorbis) and also transcribed. Wherever I have removed something ([…]), it was either unintelligible (due to the used cell phone microphone and the abysmal quality of AMR) or insignificant [...]]]></description>
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At the third day of the <a href="http://www.re-publica.de/09/"><i>re:publica 09</i></a> conference, I did meet <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan#moot.27s_identity"><i>moot</i></a> of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan"><i>4chan</i></a> fame for an interview. Here is the first part, as audio (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorbis">Vorbis</a>) and also transcribed. Wherever I have removed something (<q>[…]</q>), it was either unintelligible (due to the used cell phone microphone and the abysmal quality of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_multi-rate_compression"><abbr title="Adaptive multi-rate compression">AMR</abbr></a>) or insignificant (e.g. fillers like <q>you know</q>, which <i>moot</i> used really often). Everyone wanting to help with transcribing the second part (or just being curious) is advised to check the <a href="http://blog.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/uploads/moot-interview/moot-interview.3gp">original (AMR) file</a>.
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<dt>erlehmann</dt>
<dd>Lets go ! Hello moot. […] So, yeah, the first thing is — I think everyone who will hear this, knows <i>4chan</i> — how the fuck did <i>4chan</i> get so famous ?</dd>
<dt>moot</dt>
<dd>That&#8217;s a good question actually …</dd>
<dt><abbr title="erlehmann">e</abbr></dt>
<dd>… I mean, you were at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Something_Awful"><i>Something Awful</i></a> …</dd>
<dt><abbr title="moot">m</abbr></dt>
<dd>Well, the way that that started was that I was a user of <i>Something Awful</i> and they have an anime subforum […] and in that subforum, there was a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_(file_sharing)#Hubs"><i>DirectConnect</i> Hub</a> and it had its own <abbr title="Internet Relay Chat">IRC</abbr> channel — tangularly related, but not directly related — and these people were users of a web site in Japan called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futaba_Channel"><i>Futaba channel</i></a>, so I was introduced to it through them and it&#8217;s an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageboard">imageboard</a> and at that time imageboards weren&#8217;t really well known outside of Japan, so I took their code — which is <a href="http://www.2chan.net/script/">freely available</a> — threw it up on my hosting and shared it with these people on the IRC channel and everything kind of went from there; it&#8217;s grown orcanically from that. It&#8217;s all been […] word of mouth and … I think one of the ways it spread very quickly, to start with, was: People loved sharing images and so people would just paste links — usually on the random board — tell their friends and then … they looked at the image and they were just […] like <q>Chop of the <code>/source/origin.jpeg</code> !</q> and they said <q>Oh, it&#8217;s a forum !</q> and started it using that way. So …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Okay, so there&#8217;s no major event … because many bloggers at this event had major events, like Spreeblick for example — <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_H%C3%A4usler">Johnny [Häusler]</a> — […] one time they were <a href="http://www.spreeblick.com/2004/12/12/jamba-kurs/">blogging</a> about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamba!">Jamba</a>, a company that sells ringtones and they got many hits at this article alone and many readers stayed. So there is no major event or something like that ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>None […] More recently — over the past year — we&#8217;ve gotten more press; I&#8217;m always curious, if we, when we get press … [what it] does to our bandwith: Does the bandwith spike ? Does <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Analytics">Google Analytics</a> show any sort of spike ? And what it does for […] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_view">page impressions</a> … And we don&#8217;t often see that, actually — it&#8217;s rare to see any sort of spike, even after […] being <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121564928060441097.html">linked on the Wall Street Journal</a> or something — even after we were <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/January_14,_2009">featured on the front page of Wikipedia</a> for … I believe it was January 14th … So there were more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referrer">referrals</a> from Wikipedia, when we tracked that, but still the page impressions didn&#8217;t really spike, so …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Is that because you have so many users that it didn&#8217;t really count ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>I think that&#8217;s what it is, […] it&#8217;s a <em>drop in the ocean</em> kind of thing …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… like <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Sea_of_piss">pissing into a sea of piss</a>. So, the next thing: The meaning of <i>4chan</i> to society, how do you see it ? I mean it&#8217;s obviously a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme">meme</a> hub and used to foster and spread memes — so how do you see it ? And do you think it&#8217;s in any way <em>needed</em> […], from a cultural point of view ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] I don&#8217;t wanna get to <em>deep</em> here, but I think <i>4chan</i> is … maybe not <i>4chan</i>, but anonymous <abbr title="Bulletin Board System">BBS</abbr>es in general, are an important thing to thing to have around. I think they provide a really healthy outlet for people. And […] I get a lot of emails, and some emails are negative and some emails are positive — and the kind of common themes in those emails are people are writing me for providing another place where they can go and share … things on <i>4chan</i>, that they might not share with their friends, their family and their collie — it&#8217;s a healthy tool for […] certain things like that. But I don&#8217;t think … I don&#8217;t know if <i>4chan</i> really has any sort of <em>societal relevance</em> past just being a big community […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… I didn&#8217;t mean relevance, I mean <q>Is it necessary ?</q>. I think it&#8217;s probably necessary because […] if it wasn&#8217;t it wouldn&#8217;t have been such a hit and people wouldn&#8217;t try to make imageboards, <a href="http://forum.the-angelz.net/index.php?showtopic=12639"><i>4chan style</i></a>.</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah, […] I agree with you on that thought — I think it matches the <em>need</em> of a lot of people and that&#8217;s why it spread.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Okay, so … Do you still spend time browsing on <i>4chan</i> when you&#8217;re not active in the sense of moderating or messing with people&#8217;s heads ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>So outside of administration …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… yeah, in your free time …</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah. Now, I mean whenever I&#8217;m on my computer again — I&#8217;ve always got Firefox open and I&#8217;ve always got a tab of <i>4chan</i> open. […] I don&#8217;t sit around usually, actively refreshing for hours on it, but I&#8217;ve always got something open — […] between emails and between […] reading the news it&#8217;s often I click over and I refresh and read it quickly and I go for a thread, maybe one or two pages and come back to it in an hour. So over the course of the day, I would say, I at least spend a few hours on my site and […] that&#8217;s just browsing — in addition to that […] moderating […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>So, is there any favourite board you have ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] The most comfortable is <a href="http://img.4chan.org/b/imgboard.html"><i>random</i></a>. […] Some people don&#8217;t expect that, but […] I don&#8217;t know how this rumour got started or why people should believe it, but the odd claim is that I don&#8217;t use the boards anymore which […] couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth. or they say that I […] I guess some journalist said that I&#8217;m quick to dis […] the content, so I don&#8217;t associate with our … I don&#8217;t find the content to be interesting and that&#8217;s not true either. I try to distance the site from some of the extremes that people see on <abbr title="random"><i>/b/</i></abbr> because […] those are few and far in between and I don&#8217;t want people to get the impression that it&#8217;s all about extremes. But […] I still identify with a lot of it […] und I enjoy browsing the board and that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m on it for at least an hour every day. […] <i>/b/</i> — random — is kind of the life force of the site and kind of … it&#8217;s a gateway for us to the site […] I think a lot of people come in through random … they&#8217;re like junkies, die-hards — and then they finally … it is like there is one day, they just go <q>Oh wow, there&#8217;s other stuff on this web site !</q> and they […] go to the other boards and start using those, but …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>So how much time do you spend, working — administrating, programming — in a week on <i>4chan</i> ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>In a week ?</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Yeah — maybe if you can break it down to a day, but I usually can&#8217;t […]</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] It&#8217;s really tough to say, because it changes constantly — now, when i first started the website, […] I was 15, I was in highschool and I was spending … <ins datetime="2009-04-07T18:18:09+00:00">I was up</ins> every night until five A.M., six A.M. and so I was spending at least six, seven hours a day … […] writing stuff for the site or playing with the code or moderating and also browsing and […] as years […] turn by, […] I&#8217;ve gone through a cycle, where […] I&#8217;ll start doing a lot of work and I&#8217;ll spend eight hours, nine hours a day working on things — and then I go through a […] period, where […] it&#8217;s an every other day and not as often; the most recent […] I flew my programmer up from his home, to stay with me in New York and we did a two week — you ain&#8217;t infamiliar with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code"><i>Google Summer of Code</i></a> ? […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd><em><i>4chan</i> is at <i>Google</i> … ?</em></dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>No, no, no ! […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>I&#8217;m familiar with that.</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>… so I called it, I […] referred to it as […] not <i>Summer of Code</i> — we can do the same thing, we just called it <i>Winter of Pain</i>.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>That would be a very cool thing — to attract developers.</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah, […] so the first … the inaugural <i>Winter of Pain</i> was just me and my developer and we spend like twelve hours — more than twelve hours — a day just working on the site <ins datetime="2009-04-07T19:05:28+00:00">I rearranged</ins> seven servers, or six — I rearranged six servers […], he did a lot of programming, we got a lot of work done. So that&#8217;s an example of where, that week, I spent literally <em>over a hundred hours</em> working on the site, but maybe the week before that it would be like […] five. So it really […] varies, changes rapidly.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>So what features came up with the <i>Winter of Pain</i> ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>I have to think — […] we switched over …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>No end user things ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>No, I actually […] don&#8217;t think it was many front-facing changes, mostly backend stuff … I&#8217;m trying to think of something that you might have noticed: We changed the way pages rebuild and so … that coupled with the operating system improvement — we went from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD">Free<abbr title="Berkeley Software Distribution">BSD</abbr></a> 5.5 to 7.1 release, I think it was <abbr title="Release Candidate">RC</abbr>2 at that time, it really came out like halfway through … So going from actually FreeBSD 5.5 to 7.1 they made so many improvements that our server that runs <i>cgi.4chan[.org]</i>, which does a lot of the adult stuff, went from 200 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megabit">megabit</a> peak to — after the reinstall — 400 megabit peak, within the next day, 24 hours. So that was really the major change and that was only the operating system, that alone doubled its throughput. […] We were able to drop latency on page load and also speed up page rendering time; we did a lot […] we ran […] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firebug_(Firefox_extension)">Firebug</a> and it&#8217;s just been a lot of little things, so I think maybe, overall browsing experience, it&#8217;s faster, it&#8217;s better now — but there really wasn&#8217;t much in terms of frontend changes.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Are there any frontend changes planned ? […]</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] I would have to look at the to-do lists — there are a lot of things on the to-do list and there are certainly things that we wanna do; one thing that I have been thinking of recently has been creating a new kind of page view — a way to browse the board — because on the high-volume boards — high traffic boards like /b/ and now actually the anime board /a/, videogames /v/ are gaining quite fast, maybe 30 posts per minute. Now you have a post every other second, so they are about as fast as /b/ was maybe two or three years ago, which is … They&#8217;re attracting substantial traffic on their own now, […] almost like mini-/b/s, so it&#8217;s becoming increasingly frustrating for myself — and I&#8217;m sure for everybody else — that […] it&#8217;s very hard to track content over time and although it&#8217;s great […] at the same time it&#8217;s annoying, that it&#8217;s very hard to follow threads unless you&#8217;re opening them in a dedicated tab and refreshing constantly. And one thing […] I talked about this yesterday, the firefox extension: […] There&#8217;s a thread watcher where you can flag a thread and keep it in […] view of the board — maybe building some sort of functionality like that into the site, with a native functionality where you can maybe flag a thread and have it without actually installing the firefox extension. So I mean there are a lot of things we could do, in terms of […] features like that, but it&#8217;s just a matter of prioritizing them and finding enough time to implement them, which is a constant struggle.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>[…] As a website owner you do have experience with authorities and bomb threats and child pornography — what do you think of the censorship plans that are surfacing in Germany, in Australia […] ? Do you fear that <i>4chan</i> will be on the lists, too ? I mean, dentists are on the lists — […] there&#8217;s a <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibxVSu1tEp5K-rd29EHncvz6OggAD971RA806">dentist on the list</a> because crackers cracked his site, put child pornography on it, several years ago, and he got it back in three days or something and now he&#8217;s been on some censorship list — so what do you think about that ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] I&#8217;m familiar with what&#8217;s happening in Australia — I wasn&#8217;t […] really aware of what was happening in Germany until […] I came to the conference and I heard about it from <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Beckedahl">Markus [Beckedahl]</a> […] and it&#8217;s <em>scary</em> and I think I&#8217;m more afraid of it not as a website owner, but as a <em>user</em> […] like everybody else, as a user of the internet — I think it&#8217;s terryfying that governments are talking about implementing […] nation-wide filters. […] Now the questions of <q>Are we on the list ?</q>, <q>Are we afraid of being put on the list ?</q> … we are on the list in Australia, actually, according to the one <a href="http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian_government_secret_ACMA_internet_censorship_blacklist%2C_18_Mar_2009">that was leaked</a> […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Only subforums like <i>/b/</i> or the whole site ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>I believe its the whole site and […] <a href="http://www.iwf.org.uk/public/page.148.htm">another list</a> that we&#8217;re on is […] one maintained by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Watch_Foundation"><i>Internet Watch Foundation</i></a> — actually, I don&#8217;t believe we&#8217;re still on it; so the <i>Internet Watch Foundation</i> is a[n] organization — I think its based in the <abbr title="United Kingdom">UK</abbr> — […] they add sites, that they think make you a child abuser …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… sites they don&#8217;t like …</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>… pretty much. […] But the <abbr title="Internet Service Provider">ISP</abbr>s in the UK, like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT_Group"><i><abbr title="British Telecom">BT</abbr></i></a> — I think it&#8217;s one of the biggest — and there&#8217;s another one that I&#8217;m forgetting …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… they subscribe to this ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>They do. And so, at one point, they were blocking <i>/b/</i> — and not only that: They petitioned <i>Google</i>, […] basicly, they sent the list to <i>Google</i> and <i>Google</i> omits <i>random</i> still, for years now …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd><a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/What"><em>Wat.</em></a></dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>… from the search ranking: If you <a href="http://google.com/search?q=%2Fb%2F+random">search for &#8220;/b/ random&#8221;</a> and you scroll to the bottom of the page …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… you get <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Encyclopaedia_Dramatica"><i><abbr title="Encyclopaedia Dramatica">ED</abbr></i></a> ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah, you don&#8217;t get <i>4chan</i>. And at the bottom of the page […], there&#8217;s something like like <q>Two or three […] results omitted. Click here, find out more.</q> and it sends you to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilling_Effects_(group)"><i>Chilling Effects</i></a>, which is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkman_Center_for_Internet_%26_Society"><i>Berkman</i></a> web site …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… and there you can search in different languages and in some countries they censor and in some they don&#8217;t  …</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah, and so it links you to the <i><abbr title="Internet Watch Foundation">IWF</abbr></i> complaint and they still … And I actually appealed this twice now […], saying <q>Look, we&#8217;re not on this list anymore, it was a misunderstanding […]. They agree that we shouldn&#8217;t be on that list, that we&#8217;re not on that list and we like for you to reinclude our site here.</q> …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… and the don&#8217;t because they don&#8217;t care or because they do care and don&#8217;t like [it] ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>I think it might be either — […] it&#8217;s hard to say with such a large company …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Yeah, but did they answer ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>No, they&#8217;d never answered. […] So it&#8217;s like falling into the black hole of <i>Google</i> …</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>… it&#8217;s like submitting bug reports to <i>Apple</i> …</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah.</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>Okay, […] but other things you&#8217;ve appealed — […] the <i>British Telecom</i> did set you free …</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>Yeah, once we were taken off that list […]</dd>
<dt>e</dt>
<dd>[…] Maybe Finnish providers have [<i>4chan</i> on] any […] blacklists, or Swedish ?</dd>
<dt>m</dt>
<dd>[…] I can&#8217;t really answer that, but I&#8217;m certain that we&#8217;re not on the block[list] on <i>BT</i> anymore.</dd>
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Nach Heise macht sich nun auch Netzpolitik daran, den vielgeliebten Vierkanal zu entzaubern, großartig !





Noch ein toller Comic: minus, wunderbar wasserfarbig. Also, socks.





Politiker in Pillenform &#8211; gegen Angst hilft die Schäublette (via meine Lieblingspolitikerin)





Pornos, mit ihrem idealisierten Menschenbild, helfen mir kaum mehr. Deswegen hier eine Galerie normaler Brüste, vielleicht senkt das ja die Ansprüche.





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Nach <a href="http://encyclopediadramatica.com/DAS_TROLLPARADIES">Heise</a> macht sich nun auch <a href="http://netzpolitik.org/2008/netzpolitik-podcast-058-4chan-und-anonymous-vs-scientology/">Netzpolitik</a> daran, den vielgeliebten <a href="http://www.4chan.org/">Vierkanal</a> zu entzaubern, <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krebs_(Medizin)#Krebsentstehung">großartig</a> !
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Noch ein toller Comic: <a href="http://www.kiwisbybeat.com/minus.html">minus</a>, wunderbar wasserfarbig. Also, <a href="http://www.kiwisbybeat.com/socks.html">socks</a>.
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Politiker in Pillenform &#8211; gegen Angst hilft die <a href="http://dannybruder.net/bruder/?p=7">Schäublette</a> (via <a href="http://julia-seeliger.de/die-pille-gegen-angst/">meine Lieblingspolitikerin</a>)
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Pornos, mit ihrem idealisierten Menschenbild, helfen mir kaum mehr. Deswegen hier eine <a href="http://www.007b.com/breast_gallery.php">Galerie normaler Brüste</a>, vielleicht senkt das ja die Ansprüche.
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Und zum Schluss: <a href="http://www.artistserver.com/huelsbeck">Musik</a> von <a href="http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=110965">Hülsbeck</a>. Ja genau, dem <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_H%C3%BClsbeck">Turrican-Typen</a>.
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Nachtrag und Hörbefehl: <a href="http://www.zshare.net/audio/50729288732873/">Teen Horniness is Not a Crime</a>, ein ins-Ohr-gehendes Lied von <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Michelle_Gellar">Sarah Michelle &#8220;Buffy&#8221; Gellar</a>, aus dem Soundtrack zum Film <a href="http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southland_Tales">&#8220;Southland Tales&#8221;</a>.
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